Re: [Epic] Eldar tactics

From: Brett Hollindale <agro_at_...>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:34:01 GMT

At 11:17 AM 4/4/97 +0200, you wrote:
>Agro wrote:
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>>>Really, Agro, what would be the _real_ difference between a unit with
>>>pop-up capability and another one if you can shoot it whenever you want?
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>>Well, we've always figured the difference was that you had to be on FF to
>>shoot a skimmer that was popping up from behind cover...
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>>This makes a big difference to most armies (the squats don't worry about it,
>>of course).
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>Let's see. During the FF phase, you've to be in FF to fire, anyway -
>impressive reasoning, isn't it? :-) During the "fire after advance" phase
>(don't know how you call that in English), there should be no pop-up,
>except if some skimmers were in FF and "passed" during the FF phase (and
>this is a debatable interpretation of the rules - I would not allow pop-up
>in the FAA phase).
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>Assuming you don't allow this, hidden pop-up units are useless during FAA
>phase (barring other normal LOS opportunities, of course), just as other
>units facing a piece of terrain.
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>Assuming now that you allow this, only the enemy units which "passed" too
>could reply. So, in games wherein many skimmers are deployed, many units in
>FF will retain fire until the "FAA" phase (and with the gaming philosophy
>in my group, most of them!). And the skimmers will be shot anyway.
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>So, I don't see such a big difference.
>


Renaud, you may remember how I complimented you on your English - I take it
back! I don't follow much ofthis at all...


>>>
>>>And I think I know why "the guys" do it that way: they understand pop-up
>>>capability is one of the most powerful asset of the game and are afraid of
>>>it.
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>>I think it is more like they feel that "if you can shoot at me, I should be
>>able to shoot at you".
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>Hmm. In this principle, I feel something like "everything is happening at
>the same time during a fire phase". It's obviously not the case, as then,
>destroyed models would have the right to fire before being removed (there
>are some games using this principle, but not EPIC). Moreover, being able to
>shoot at popping-up models before they effectively fire is just the
>opposite of the spirit of the rules: popping-up units benefit from
>_surprise_ and firing at them before they fire means you _predicted_ their
>apparition.
>
>Terrific house rule, meaning every soldier is a Warlock, IMHO.
>


Well, actually we interpret "pop up" as a movement action, not as a shooting
action and thus we assume that units pop up in the movement phase not in the
FF phase. (Titan Legions supports this contention by putting the rules on
pop up in the movement section with the other exceptions to normal movement
- transports, flyers and snapfire weapons.)

No house rule, no warlocks, just looking at pop ups as movement...

Do you allow snapfire weapons to target skimmers on pop up?

Do you require Warlocks to take line of sight for their psychic powers from
the ground since they don't pop up in the movement phase?

Agro


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Received on Fri Apr 04 1997 - 14:34:01 UTC