I checked it out. The cost for a detachment of warriors is 300 ponts for 10 stands (including 1 hearthguard), berserkers cost 150 for 6 stands (including 1 hearthguard). Shortbeards cannot have the same point cost as berserkers or equivalent as warriors. And I don't think the point is increasing the cost of warriors and berserkers.
Albert Farré Benet
----- Original Message -----
From: Albert Farré Benet
To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [NetEpic ML] [5.0] Squats part 2 Infantry
Hi,
well, I see there are two or three major points on this.
- Weapons: If you think that Lasguns are better, I've got no problem with that. I changed it to make them a bit different from squat warriors.
- Infiltration: Most other scouts have it and though I don't have the messages here, I think the last stats discussed in the list (long ago) included the ability. It's true they don't have the guts to fight as adult Squats, but still they've got the pride of youthness (that sounds a bit...) so I think they would rush forward and take and hold the closest free terrain/cover for the others troops to take firing positions. Don't expect them to go much further than that. It's nolt their work. With enemy in sight their task is over. But if you don't like Squats to have any unit with infiltration it's ok. Still I think this does not make a big change.
- Point cost: Here I completely disagree. 450 points is far too much. If you take out CC reroll, their break point is as for normal armies and they have low stats, how can it be so expensive? they cost the same as a SM scout company!! and SM scouts have REALLY better stats (plus infiltration ability). I don't have the cost for other Squat units, but take into account that Squat infantry cost is quite high due to CC reroll. I lowered the cost intentionally. I think that 450 may sound OK with the CC reroll (it's like +1.5 CAF), but without reroll 450 points it's not correct at all, a fairer price is 350. It was my fault to not copy tha sentence where reroll was eliminated for shortbeards.
Take into account also, that shortbeards units are quite limited, so probably you are not going to see Squats rushing with a lot of infantry. Probably a company is the maximum you will see, and not always. This is just a bit of cannon-fodder that has to be used wisely because this is your only expendable unit. I think they can be very useful if well played (of course in combination with other units, never alone) but they aren't a game breaker. Absolutely. No, they don't make a difference on the Squat standard tactics.
On the Slayer cult, it works a bit like the eldar Avatar: they are quite out of control, so all your tactic is based on where you deploy them. It's true that they have high CAF but they are pretty slow and also useless defenders, since they won't defend any objective. Another very good unit that it's too limited IMHO. But I think they add lot of flavour with their limitation so it's quite OK with me.
Albert Farré Benet
----- Original Message -----
From: NetEpic Webmaster
To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [NetEpic ML] [5.0] Squats part 2 Infantry
Again infiltration is a skil - so I wouldn't let them have that either, I mean these are young (barely 81!!) squats who have let to learn the finer art of war. At the same time, surely a young squat is better than a regular guardsman? I mean he has been fighting a LOT longer.
Then again at this scale, I guess it doesn't matter.
Tom Webb
Webmaster of the EPICentre
http://www.netepic.org - Home of Netepic, EPIC: Armageddon, VOID and Heresy
----- Original Message -----
From: nils.saugen_at_...
To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 7:47 AM
Subject: RE: [NetEpic ML] [5.0] Squats part 2 Infantry
Lurke mode off.......
HI,
We've allowed Shortbeards to avoid a furious discussion with our inhouse dwarf, who would surly hit us over the head with his great axe untill we agreed anyway.... :)
Seriously, again I've not involved myself to much with the latest revision, although I've kept my self sort of updated. I would urge causion on issues such as these squat infantry changes. IMOH squats are one of the most powerfull armies in the game, if played properly. However, one of their weaknesses is the number of troops, troop movement and close combat quality. With cheap units like the shortbeards and good close combat units like slayer cults we take away one of the squat weaknesses. I think that might be a bad idea. And while we have accepted the use of Shortbeards, we've never accepted the use of Slayer Cults, but if my memory serves me right they have been tested.
As for the issue at hand, I do not see why the shortbeards should have the infiltration special ability!
Regards
Nils
-----Original Message-----
From: Eivind Borgeteien [mailto:eivind.borgeteien_at_...]
Sent: 19. juni 2003 19:44
To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [NetEpic ML] [5.0] Squats part 2 Infantry
Hi
My gaming group as on several ocations tested the shortbeards. We have substituted their bolt pistols with lasguns and also taken away their ability to reroll CC. (You have to grow more beard to do that, laddie! :-) )
Their new prize would be 450 / 5VP pr company and 150 / 2VP pr squadron.
I would suggest that we rather use this stats.
Eivind
SHORTBEARDS
The rising of a Squat army is not something of a few months. The young squats must observe some years of military service before deciding his role in the squat society. Since they are not enough cold-blooded to face most battles, they usually play the role of explorers and scouts. Due to the slow growth rate of the squat society, it's not usual to risk the lives of the younger ones and only in desperate or (supposed) secure situations are they used.
You can only field one Shortbeard Brotherhood (or a max of 3 squadrons) pr 3000 points.
Unit Name
Move
Save
CAF
Weapon
Range
Attack Dice
To hit roll
Target's save modifier
Notes
ShortBeards
10 cm
0
0
Bolt Pistols
25 cm
1
5+
0
Infiltration
Name
Contents
Break Point
Morale
Victory Points
Cost
Shortbeards Brotherhood (company)
1 Warlord
3 Shortbeards squadrons (1 hearthguard, 5 Shortbeards)
9
3
4
350
Shortbeard squadron (support)
1 Hearthguard, 5 Shortbeards
3
3
1
100
NOTE: I reduced the point cost since they had the same point cost as SM scouts having clearly inferior stats.
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On the pointcost, I must disagree. It might sound a little expencive, but
then again Squat infantry should be expencive, and it should cost you that
extra VP if they break.
If you bring along your shortbeards you get some cheap infantry, but you
also weaken yourself in terms of breakpoint. 9 stands is 5 VPs, wicht in
turn are the same as one objective point. So, if you field the shortbeards
you should play them wisely so that they dont break, and give you that extra
OP. That way, you would have to play them according to the fluff. They are
not cannonfodder, but valuable units not to be wasted!
Eivind
-----Original Message-----
From: Albert Farr� Benet [mailto:cibernyam_at_...]
Sent: 20. juni 2003 11:30
To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [NetEpic ML] [5.0] Squats part 2 Infantry
I checked it out. The cost for a detachment of warriors is 300 ponts for
10 stands (including 1 hearthguard), berserkers cost 150 for 6 stands
(including 1 hearthguard). Shortbeards cannot have the same point cost as
berserkers or equivalent as warriors. And I don't think the point is
increasing the cost of warriors and berserkers.
Albert Farr� Benet
----- Original Message -----
From: Albert Farr� Benet
To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [NetEpic ML] [5.0] Squats part 2 Infantry
Hi,
well, I see there are two or three major points on this.
- Weapons: If you think that Lasguns are better, I've got no problem
with that. I changed it to make them a bit different from squat warriors.
- Infiltration: Most other scouts have it and though I don't have the
messages here, I think the last stats discussed in the list (long ago)
included the ability. It's true they don't have the guts to fight as adult
Squats, but still they've got the pride of youthness (that sounds a bit...)
so I think they would rush forward and take and hold the closest free
terrain/cover for the others troops to take firing positions. Don't expect
them to go much further than that. It's nolt their work. With enemy in sight
their task is over. But if you don't like Squats to have any unit with
infiltration it's ok. Still I think this does not make a big change.
- Point cost: Here I completely disagree. 450 points is far too much. If
you take out CC reroll, their break point is as for normal armies and they
have low stats, how can it be so expensive? they cost the same as a SM scout
company!! and SM scouts have REALLY better stats (plus infiltration
ability). I don't have the cost for other Squat units, but take into account
that Squat infantry cost is quite high due to CC reroll. I lowered the cost
intentionally. I think that 450 may sound OK with the CC reroll (it's like
+1.5 CAF), but without reroll 450 points it's not correct at all, a fairer
price is 350. It was my fault to not copy tha sentence where reroll was
eliminated for shortbeards.
Take into account also, that shortbeards units are quite limited, so
probably you are not going to see Squats rushing with a lot of infantry.
Probably a company is the maximum you will see, and not always. This is just
a bit of cannon-fodder that has to be used wisely because this is your only
expendable unit. I think they can be very useful if well played (of course
in combination with other units, never alone) but they aren't a game
breaker. Absolutely. No, they don't make a difference on the Squat standard
tactics.
On the Slayer cult, it works a bit like the eldar Avatar: they are quite
out of control, so all your tactic is based on where you deploy them. It's
true that they have high CAF but they are pretty slow and also useless
defenders, since they won't defend any objective. Another very good unit
that it's too limited IMHO. But I think they add lot of flavour with their
limitation so it's quite OK with me.
Albert Farr� Benet
----- Original Message -----
From: NetEpic Webmaster
To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [NetEpic ML] [5.0] Squats part 2 Infantry
Again infiltration is a skil - so I wouldn't let them have that
either, I mean these are young (barely 81!!) squats who have let to learn
the finer art of war. At the same time, surely a young squat is better than
a regular guardsman? I mean he has been fighting a LOT longer.
Then again at this scale, I guess it doesn't matter.
Tom Webb
Webmaster of the EPICentre
http://www.netepic.org - Home of Netepic,
EPIC: Armageddon, VOID and Heresy
----- Original Message -----
From: nils.saugen_at_...
To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 7:47 AM
Subject: RE: [NetEpic ML] [5.0] Squats part 2 Infantry
Lurke mode off.......
HI,
We've allowed Shortbeards to avoid a furious discussion with our
inhouse dwarf, who would surly hit us over the head with his great axe
untill we agreed anyway.... :)
Seriously, again I've not involved myself to much with the latest
revision, although I've kept my self sort of updated. I would urge causion
on issues such as these squat infantry changes. IMOH squats are one of the
most powerfull armies in the game, if played properly. However, one of their
weaknesses is the number of troops, troop movement and close combat quality.
With cheap units like the shortbeards and good close combat units like
slayer cults we take away one of the squat weaknesses. I think that might be
a bad idea. And while we have accepted the use of Shortbeards, we've never
accepted the use of Slayer Cults, but if my memory serves me right they have
been tested.
As for the issue at hand, I do not see why the shortbeards should
have the infiltration special ability!
Regards
Nils
-----Original Message-----
From: Eivind Borgeteien [mailto:eivind.borgeteien_at_...]
Sent: 19. juni 2003 19:44
To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [NetEpic ML] [5.0] Squats part 2 Infantry
Hi
My gaming group as on several ocations tested the shortbeards. We
have substituted their bolt pistols with lasguns and also taken away their
ability to reroll CC. (You have to grow more beard to do that, laddie! :-) )
Their new prize would be 450 / 5VP pr company and 150 / 2VP pr
squadron.
I would suggest that we rather use this stats.
Eivind
SHORTBEARDS
The rising of a Squat army is not something of a few months. The
young squats must observe some years of military service before deciding his
role in the squat society. Since they are not enough cold-blooded to face
most battles, they usually play the role of explorers and scouts. Due to the
slow growth rate of the squat society, it's not usual to risk the lives of
the younger ones and only in desperate or (supposed) secure situations are
they used.
You can only field one Shortbeard Brotherhood (or a max of 3
squadrons) pr 3000 points.
Unit Name
Move
Save
CAF
Weapon
Range
Attack Dice
To hit roll
Target's save modifier
Notes
ShortBeards
10 cm
0
0
Bolt Pistols
25 cm
1
5+
0
Infiltration
Name
Contents
Break Point
Morale
Victory Points
Cost
Shortbeards Brotherhood (company)
1 Warlord
3 Shortbeards squadrons (1 hearthguard, 5 Shortbeards)
9
3
4
350
Shortbeard squadron (support)
1 Hearthguard, 5 Shortbeards
3
3
1
100
NOTE: I reduced the point cost since they had the same point
cost as SM scouts having clearly inferior stats.
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>Subject:</B> Re: [NetEpic ML] [5.0] Squats part 2
Infantry<BR><BR></FONT>=
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cost 150 for 6 stands (includin=
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<A title=3Dcibernyam_at_... href=3D"mai=
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etEpic ML] [5.0] Squats
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ONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>Â </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial s=
ize=3D2>- Infiltration: Most other scouts have it and
though I don't h=
ave the messages here, I think the last stats discussed in
the list (l=
ong ago) included the ability. It's true they don't have the guts
to f=
ight as adult Squats, but still they've got the pride of youthness (that
=
sounds a bit...) so I think they would rush forward and take and hold th=
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closest free terrain/cover for the others troops to take firing posi=
tions.
Don't expect them to go much further than that. It's nolt their=
work. With
enemy in sight their task is over. But if you don't l=
ike Squats to have
any unit with infiltration it's ok. Still I think t=
his does not make a big
change.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>- Poin=
t cost: Here I completely disagree. 450
points is far too much. If you=
take out CC reroll, their break point is as
for normal armies and the=
y have low stats, how can it be so expensive? they
cost the same as a =
SM scout company!! and SM scouts have REALLY better
stats (plus i=
nfiltration ability). I don't have the cost for other Squat
units, but=
take into account that Squat infantry cost is quite
high du=
e to CC reroll. I lowered the cost intentionally. I think that
450 may=
sound OK with the CC reroll (it's like +1.5 CAF), but without reroll
=
450 points it's not correct at all, a fairer price is 350. It was my fault =
to not copy tha sentence where reroll was eliminated for
shortbea=
rds.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Take into account also, that shor=
tbeards
units are quite limited, so probably you are not going to see =
Squats rushing
with a lot of infantry. Probably a company is the =
maximum you will see,
and not always. This is just a bit of canno=
n-fodder that has to be used
wisely because this is your only expendab=
le unit. I think they can be very
useful if well played (of course in =
combination with other units, never
alone) but they aren't a game brea=
ker. Absolutely. No, they don't make a
difference on the Squat standar=
d tactics.</FONT></DIV>
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/DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>On the Slayer cult, it works a b=
it like the
eldar Avatar: they are quite out of control, so all your t=
actic is based on
where you deploy them. It's true that they have high=
CAF but they are pretty
slow and also useless defenders, since they w=
on't defend any objective.
Another very good unit that it's too limite=
d IMHO. But I think they add lot
of flavour with their limitation so i=
t's quite OK with me.</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=3Dwebmaster_at_... href=3D"mai=
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</=
B> Re: [NetEpic ML] [5.0]
Squats part 2 Infantry</DIV>
<DIV><B=
R></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Again infiltration is a ski=
l - so I wouldn't
let them have that either, I mean these are young =
(barely 81!!) squats who
have let to learn the finer art of war. At =
the same time, surely a young
squat is better than a regular guardsm=
an? I mean he has been fighting a
LOT longer.</FONT></DIV>
<DI=
V><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>Â </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DA=
rial size=3D2>Then again at this scale, I guess it doesn't
matter.</=
FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><BR>Tom Webb<BR>W=
ebmaster of the
EPICentre <A href=3D"
http://www.netepic.org">http://=
www.netepic.org</A> -
Home of Netepic, EPIC: Armageddon, VOID and He=
resy</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LE=
FT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0p=
x">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </=
DIV>
<DIV
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; =
font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=3Dnils.saugen_at_... =
href=3D"mailto:nils.saugen_at_...">nils.saugen@...</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=
=3Dnetepic_at_yahoogroups.com
href=3D"mailto:netepic_at_yahoogroups.com"=
>netepic_at_yahoogroups.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"=
><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 20, 2003 7:47
AM</DIV>
<DIV sty=
le=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [NetEpic ML] [5.0]
Squ=
ats part 2 Infantry</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=
=3D807333606-20062003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff
size=3D2>=
Lurke mode off.......</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D807333=
606-20062003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff
size=3D2></FONT></=
SPAN>Â </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D807333606-20062003><FONT face=
=3DArial color=3D#0000ff
size=3D2>HI,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
=
<DIV><SPAN class=3D807333606-20062003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff
=
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>Â </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D80733=
3606-20062003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff
size=3D2>We've al=
lowed Shortbeards to avoid a furious discussion with
our inho=
use dwarf, who would surly hit us over the head with his great
axe=
untill we agreed anyway.... :)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN clas=
s=3D807333606-20062003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff
size=3D2=
></FONT></SPAN>Â </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D807333606-20062003><=
FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff
size=3D2>Seriously, again I've n=
ot involved myself to much with the latest
revision, although I've=
kept my self sort of updated. I would urge
causion on issues such=
as these squat infantry changes. IMOH squats are
one of the most =
powerfull armies in the game, if played properly.
However, one of =
their weaknesses is the number of troops, troop
movement =
;and close combat quality. With cheap units like the
shortbea=
rds and good close combat units like slayer cults we take away
one=
of the squat weaknesses. I think that might be a bad idea. And while
=
we have accepted the use of Shortbeards, we've never accepted the =
use of Slayer Cults, but if my memory serves me right they have be=
en
tested.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D80733360=
6-20062003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff
size=3D2></FONT></SP=
AN>Â </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D807333606-20062003><FONT face=3D=
Arial color=3D#0000ff
size=3D2>As for the issue at hand, IÂ do=
not see why the shortbeards
should have the infiltration special =
ability!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D807333606-20062003>=
<FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>Â </=
DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D807333606-20062003><FONT face=3DArial color=
=3D#0000ff
size=3D2>Regards</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN=
class=3D807333606-20062003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff
siz=
e=3D2>Nils  </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<=
DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DTahoma=
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Eivind Borg=
eteien
[mailto:eivind.borgeteien_at_...]<BR><B>Sent:</B> 19. =
juni 2003
19:44<BR><B>To:</B> netepic_at_yahoogroups.com<BR><B>Subj=
ect:</B> RE:
[NetEpic ML] [5.0] Squats part 2 Infantry<BR><BR></=
FONT></DIV><FONT
face=3DArial size=3D2>
<P class=3DMso=
Normal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D=
"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><o:p><FONT
size=
=3D3></FONT></o:p></SPAN></P><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D"FONT-SI=
ZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">
<DIV><SP=
AN class=3D590283217-19062003><FONT color=3D#0000ff
size=3D2>Hi<=
/FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D590283217-19062003><FONT c=
olor=3D#0000ff
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>Â </DIV>
<DI=
V><SPAN class=3D590283217-19062003><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>My
=
gaming group as on several ocations tested the shortbeards. We have
=
substituted their bolt pistols with lasguns and also taken aw=
ay
their ability to reroll CC. (You have to grow more beard to d=
o that,
laddie! :-) )</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN c=
lass=3D590283217-19062003><FONT color=3D#0000ff
size=3D2></FONT>=
</SPAN>Â </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D590283217-19062003><FONT c=
olor=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Their
new prize would be  450 =
/ 5VPÂ pr company and 150 / 2VP
pr squadron.</FONT></SPAN></=
DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D590283217-19062003><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>Â </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=
=3D590283217-19062003><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I would
sug=
gest that we rather use this stats.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPA=
N class=3D590283217-19062003><FONT color=3D#0000ff
size=3D2></FO=
NT></SPAN>Â </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D590283217-19062003><FON=
T color=3D#0000ff
size=3D2>Eivind</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
=
<DIV><SPAN class=3D590283217-19062003><FONT color=3D#0000ff
size=
=3D2></FONT></SPAN>Â </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN
class=3D590=
283217-19062003>Â </SPAN><STRONG>SHORTBEARDS<o:p></o:p></STRONG></SPAN>=
</DIV>
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style=3D"FONT-FA=
MILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><FONT
size=3D3>The risi=
ng of a Squat army is not something of a few months.
The young=
squats must observe some years of military service before
dec=
iding his role in the squat society. Since they are not enough
=
cold-blooded to face most battles, they usually play the role of
=
explorers and scouts. Due to the slow growth rate of the squat
=
society, it's not usual to risk the lives of the younger ones and
=
only in desperate or (supposed) secure situations are they
=
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=
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-siz=
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can only field one Shortbeard Brotherhood (or a=
max of 3 squadrons)
pr 3000 points.</SPAN><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB =
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style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center; mso-m=
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lang=3DEN-GB
sty=
le=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-bid=
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p></SPAN></P></TD>
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HT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDIN=
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Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">10
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; ms=
o-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">0</SPAN><SPAN
lang=3DEN-GB
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-langu=
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code MS'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD>
<TD
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style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-T=
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style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: c=
enter; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
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align=3Dcenter><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D"FONT-SI=
ZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: =
10.0pt">Bolt
Pistols</SPAN><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB
=
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN=
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TH: 36pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; BACKGROUND=
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vAlign=3Dtop width=3D48>
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al
style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center; mso=
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alig=
n=3Dcenter><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; F=
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cm</SPAN><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D=
"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-fon=
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PAN></P></TD>
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indowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEF=
T: 5.4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 36pt; PADDING-T=
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; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-left-alt: solid windowt=
ext .5pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt"
vAlig=
n=3Dtop width=3D48>
<P class=3DMsoNormal
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style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center; mso-margin-top-alt: au=
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align=3Dcenter><SPAN la=
ng=3DEN-GB
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; =
mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">1</SPAN><SPAN
=
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-F=
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east-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD>
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windowtext 1pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: solid=
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p-alt: solid windowtext .5pt"
vAlign=3Dtop width=3D48>
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style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm=
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align=3Dcenter><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB
=
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-G=
B; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">5+</SPAN><SPAN
lang=3DEN-=
GB
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi=
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al Unicode MS'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD>
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style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BO=
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t .5pt"
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s=3DMsoNormal
style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: =
center; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
=
align=3Dcenter><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D"FONT-S=
IZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size:=
10.0pt">0</SPAN><SPAN
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s=
tyle=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-b=
idi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><o:p></=
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<TD
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IGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADD=
ING-LEFT: 5.4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 99pt; PA=
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sparent; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-border-left-alt: solid =
windowtext .5pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .5pt"
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vAlign=3Dtop width=3D132>
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=
style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center; mso-margin-top=
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<SPAN lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY:=
Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"><SPAN
=
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">Â </SPAN>Infiltration</SPAN><SP=
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8=
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t; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD>=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal
style=
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uto"><SPAN
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Ari=
al; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><o:p><FONT
size=3D3>Â </FONT=
></o:p></SPAN></P>
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s=
tyle=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; BORDER-TOP: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: me=
dium none; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse; mso-table=
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5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt"
cellSpacing=3D0 cellPadding=3D0 border=3D1>
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<TBODY>
<TR style=3D"mso-yfti-irow: 0">
=
<TD
style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: black 1pt solid; PADDI=
NG-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: black 1pt solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; PADDING-=
BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: black 1pt solid; WIDTH: 140.1pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm=
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vAlign=3Dtop width=3D187>
=
<P class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm=
0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
=
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FA=
MILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">Name</SP=
AN><SPAN
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D"FONT-S=
IZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size:=
10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P=
></TD>
<TD
style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: black 1p=
t solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: black 1pt solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5=
.4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 153pt; PADDING-TOP:=
0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: black 1pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-bo=
rder-alt: solid black .75pt; mso-border-left-alt: solid black .75pt"
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vAlign=3Dtop width=3D204>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=
style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;=
mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
lang=3DEN-GB
=
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language:=
EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">Contents</SPAN><SPAN
=
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Aria=
l; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-f=
amily: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD>
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style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: black 1pt solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4=
pt; BORDER-TOP: black 1pt solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; =
BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 36.05pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: blac=
k 1pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: solid black .75=
pt; mso-border-left-alt: solid black .75pt"
vAlign=3Dtop w=
idth=3D48>
<P class=3DMsoNormal
style=
=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: a=
uto"><SPAN
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D"FONT=
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e: 10.0pt">BreakÂ
Point</SPAN><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB
=
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-lang=
uage: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Arial Un=
icode MS'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD>
<TD
=
style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: black 1pt solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: =
black 1pt solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: #d4=
d0c8; WIDTH: 36.15pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: black 1pt solid; BAC=
KGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: solid black .75pt; mso-border-l=
eft-alt: solid black .75pt"
vAlign=3Dtop width=3D48>
=
<P class=3DMsoNormal
style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0=
cm 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
=
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-=
FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">Morale=
</SPAN><SPAN
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D"FO=
NT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-s=
ize: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN=
></P></TD>
<TD
style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: blac=
k 1pt solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: black 1pt solid; PADDING-LEF=
T: 5.4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 36pt; PADDING-T=
OP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: black 1pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso=
-border-alt: solid black .75pt; mso-border-left-alt: solid black .75pt"
=
vAlign=3Dtop width=3D48>
<P class=3DMsoNorm=
al
style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: aut=
o; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
lang=3DEN-GB
=
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-languag=
e: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">Victory
Points</SP=
AN><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareas=
t-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD>
=
<TD
style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: black 1pt solid; PADDING-RI=
GHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: black 1pt solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; PADDING-BOTTO=
M: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 45.55pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTT=
OM: black 1pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: solid b=
lack .75pt; mso-border-left-alt: solid black .75pt"
vAlign=
=3Dtop width=3D61>
<P class=3DMsoNormal
=
style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom=
-alt: auto"><SPAN
lang=3DEN-GB
style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-=
font-size: 10.0pt">Cost</SPAN><SPAN
lang=3DEN-GB
=
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language:=
EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Arial Unicode=
MS'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD></TR>
<TR style=3D"mso-yfti-=
irow: 1">
<TD
style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: black=
1pt solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt;=
PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: black 1pt solid; WIDTH: 140.1pt; PADDING=
-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: black 1pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; m=
so-border-alt: solid black .75pt; mso-border-top-alt: solid black .75pt"
=
vAlign=3Dtop width=3D187>
<P class=3DMsoNo=
rmal
style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: a=
uto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
lang=3DEN-GB
=
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-langu=
age: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">Shortbeards
Brot=
herhood (company)</SPAN><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D"FONT=
-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-siz=
e: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN><=
/P></TD>
<TD
style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: black =
1pt solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; =
PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 153pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; =
BORDER-BOTTOM: black 1pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-a=
lt: solid black .75pt; mso-border-left-alt: solid black .75pt; mso-border-t=
op-alt: solid black .75pt"
vAlign=3Dtop width=3D204>
=
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN
=
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT=
-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">1
=
Warlord<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3D=
MsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN
lang=3DEN-=
GB
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi=
-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">3
Shortbea=
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Hi,
But at 150 points a detachment they cost exactly the same as berserker=
s! only that they got less movement, less CAF, no reroll and less morale! W=
hy would anybody purchase shortbeards if you got an equivalent troop with f=
ar better stats for the same price? I think that they should cost 100 point=
s, but I wonder what result would give the formula. Please, take into acoun=
t that they have Squat in their name but none of the usual squat features (=
Reroll, morale or break point), plus they have really low stats, almost the=
same as IG tacticals or Chaos cultists (only 1 point better in morale).
W=
hen you got tons of expendable troops, like IG/PDF you can waste them to en=
emy fire as desired, but when you got ONE expendable unit, you should play =
it really wisely, so in the end it isn't as expendable as it seemed at firs=
t glance. I think that their strong point is that, seeming expendable, the =
enemy will try to go for stronger units and always leave them as the shot t=
o spare when he doesn't have other available targets. Thus, they can do the=
ir job quite silently. Probably they won't bring you many VP but that is ri=
ght, because they are a cheap unit.
Albert Farr=E9 Benet
----- Original =
Message -----
From: Eivind Borgeteien
To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
=
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 12:46 PM
Subject: RE: [NetEpic ML] [5.0] Squa=
ts part 2 Infantry
On the pointcost, I must disagree. It might sound a =
little expencive, but then again Squat infantry should be expencive, and it=
should cost you that extra VP if they break.
If you bring along your sh=
ortbeards you get some cheap infantry, but you also weaken yourself in term=
s of breakpoint. 9 stands is 5 VPs, wict in turn are the same as one objec=
tive point. So, if you field the shortbeards you should play them wisely so=
that they dont break, and give you that extra OP. That way, you would have=
to play them according to the fluff. They are not cannonfodder, but valuab=
le units not to be wasted!
Eivind
-----Original Message-----
From: =
Albert Farr=E9 Benet [mailto:cibernyam_at_...]
Sent: 20. juni 2003 1=
1:30
To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [NetEpic ML] [5.0] Squats=
part 2 Infantry
I checked it out. The cost for a detachment of warri=
ors is 300 ponts for 10 stands (including 1 hearthguard), berserkers cost 1=
50 for 6 stands (including 1 hearthguard). Shortbeards cannot have the same=
point cost as berserkers or equivalent as warriors. And I don't think the =
point is increasing the cost of warriors and berserkers.
Albert Farr=
=E9 Benet
----- Original Message -----
From: Albert Farr=E9 Be=
net
To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 1=
0:58 AM
Subject: Re: [NetEpic ML] [5.0] Squats part 2 Infantry
=
Hi,
well, I see there are two or three major points on this.
=
- Weapons: If you think that Lasguns are better, I've got no problem with=
that. I changed it to make them a bit different from squat warriors.
=
- Infiltration: Most other scouts have it and though I don't have the mes=
sages here, I think the last stats discussed in the list (long ago) include=
d the ability. It's true they don't have the guts to fight as adult Squats,=
but still they've got the pride of youthness (that sounds a bit...) so I t=
hink they would rush forward and take and hold the closest free terrain/cov=
er for the others troops to take firing positions. Don't expect them to go =
much further than that. It's nolt their work. With enemy in sight their tas=
k is over. But if you don't like Squats to have any unit with infiltration =
it's ok. Still I think this does not make a big change.
- Point cost=
: Here I completely disagree. 450 points is far too much. If you take out C=
C reroll, their break point is as for normal armies and they have low stats=
, how can it be so expensive? they cost the same as a SM scout company!! an=
d SM scouts have REALLY better stats (plus infiltration ability). I don't h=
ave the cost for other Squat units, but take into account that Squat infant=
ry cost is quite high due to CC reroll. I lowered the cost intentionally. I=
think that 450 may sound OK with the CC reroll (it's like +1.5 CAF), but w=
ithout reroll 450 points it's not correct at all, a fairer price is 350. It=
was my fault to not copy tha sentence where reroll was eliminated for shor=
tbeards.
Take into account also, that shortbeards units are quite li=
mited, so probably you are not going to see Squats rushing with a lot of in=
fantry. Probably a company is the maximum you will see, and not always. Thi=
s is just a bit of cannon-fodder that has to be used wisely because this is=
your only expendable unit. I think they can be very useful if well played =
(of course in combination with other units, never alone) but they aren't a =
game breaker. Absolutely. No, they don't make a difference on the Squat sta=
ndard tactics.
On the Slayer cult, it works a bit like the eldar Ava=
tar: they are quite out of control, so all your tactic is based on where yo=
u deploy them. It's true that they have high CAF but they are pretty slow a=
nd also useless defenders, since they won't defend any objective. Another v=
ery good unit that it's too limited IMHO. But I think they add lot of flavo=
ur with their limitation so it's quite OK with me.
Albert Farr=E9 Be=
net
----- Original Message -----
From: NetEpic Webmaster
=
To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10=
:23 AM
Subject: Re: [NetEpic ML] [5.0] Squats part 2 Infantry
=
Again infiltration is a skil - so I wouldn't let them have that either=
, I mean these are young (barely 81!!) squats who have let to learn the fin=
er art of war. At the same time, surely a young squat is better than a regu=
lar guardsman? I mean he has been fighting a LOT longer.
Then agai=
n at this scale, I guess it doesn't matter.
Tom Webb
Webma=
ster of the EPICentre
http://www.netepic.org - Home of Netepic, EPIC: Armag=
eddon, VOID and Heresy
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Fr=
om: nils.saugen_at_...
To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
=
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 7:47 AM
Subject: RE: [NetEpic ML] [=
5.0] Squats part 2 Infantry
Lurke mode off.......
HI=
,
We've allowed Shortbeards to avoid a furious discussion with o=
ur inhouse dwarf, who would surly hit us over the head with his great axe u=
ntill we agreed anyway.... :)
Seriously, again I've not involved=
myself to much with the latest revision, although I've kept my self sort o=
f updated. I would urge causion on issues such as these squat infantry chan=
ges. IMOH squats are one of the most powerfull armies in the game, if playe=
d properly. However, one of their weaknesses is the number of troops, troop=
movement and close combat quality. With cheap units like the shortbeards a=
nd good close combat units like slayer cults we take away one of the squat =
weaknesses. I think that might be a bad idea. And while we have accepted th=
e use of Shortbeards, we've never accepted the use of Slayer Cults, but if =
my memory serves me right they have been tested.
As for the issu=
e at hand, I do not see why the shortbeards should have the infiltration sp=
ecial ability!
Regards
Nils
-----Origina=
l Message-----
From: Eivind Borgeteien [mailto:eivind.borgeteie=
n_at_...]
Sent: 19. juni 2003 19:44
To: netepic_at_=
yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [NetEpic ML] [5.0] Squats part 2 I=
nfantry
Hi
My gaming group as on several ocatio=
ns tested the shortbeards. We have substituted their bolt pistols with lasg=
uns and also taken away their ability to reroll CC. (You have to grow more =
beard to do that, laddie! :-) )
Their new prize would be 450 =
/ 5VP pr company and 150 / 2VP pr squadron.
I would suggest th=
at we rather use this stats.
Eivind
SHORTBEARDS
=
The rising of a Squat army is not something =
of a few months. The young squats must observe some years of military servi=
ce before deciding his role in the squat society. Since they are not enough=
cold-blooded to face most battles, they usually play the role of explorers=
and scouts. Due to the slow growth rate of the squat society, it's not usu=
al to risk the lives of the younger ones and only in desperate or (supposed=
) secure situations are they used.
You can =
only field one Shortbeard Brotherhood (or a max of 3 squadrons) pr 3000 poi=
nts.
Unit Name
=
Move
Save
CAF
=
Weapon
Range
Attack Dice
=
To hit roll
Target's save modifier
=
Notes
ShortBeards
=
10 cm
0
0
=
Bolt Pistols
25 cm
1
=
5+
0
Infiltration
=
Name
=
Contents
Break Point
Morale
=
Victory Points
Cost
=
Shortbeards Brotherhood (company)
1 Warl=
ord
3 Shortbeards squadrons (1 hearthguard, 5 Shortbea=
rds)
9
3
4
=
350
Shortbeard squadron=
(support)
1 Hearthguard, 5 Shortbeards
=
3
3
1
100
=
NOTE: I reduced the point cost since they ha=
d the same point cost as SM scouts having clearly inferior stats.
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But at 150 points a detachment they cost
exactly the same as berserke=
rs! only that they got less movement, less CAF, no
reroll and less mo=
rale! Why would anybody purchase shortbeards if you got
an equivalent =
;troop with far better stats for the same price? I think that
they should =
cost 100 points, but I wonder what result would give the formula.
Please, =
take into acount that they have Squat in their name but none of the
usual =
squat features (Reroll, morale or break point), plus they have really low
=
stats, almost the same as IG tacticals or Chaos cultists (only 1 point
bet=
ter in morale).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&=
nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>When you got tons of expendabl=
e troops, like IG/PDF
you can waste them to enemy fire as desired, but whe=
n you got ONE expendable
unit, you should play it really wisely, so in the=
end it isn't as expendable as
it seemed at first glance. I think that the=
ir strong point is that, seeming
expendable, the enemy will try to go for =
stronger units and always leave them as
the shot to spare when h=
e doesn't have other available targets. Thus,
they can do their job quite =
silently. Probably they won't bring you many VP but
that is right, because=
they are a cheap unit.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FON=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Albert Farr=E9 Benet</FONT>=
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<A title=3Deivind.borgeteien_at_...
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<DIV style=
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part=
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D796533410-20062003><FON=
T face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>On
the pointcost, I must disagre=
e. It might sound a little expencive, but then
again Squat infantry shou=
ld be expencive, and it should cost you that extra VP
if they break.</FO=
NT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D796533410-20062003><FONT face=3DArial=
color=3D#0000ff
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=
=3D796533410-20062003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>If
you=
bring along your shortbeards you get some cheap infantry, but you also
=
weaken yourself in terms of breakpoint. 9 stands is 5 VPs, wict in tu=
rn
are the same as one objective point. So, if you field the shortbeards=
you
should play them wisely so that they dont break, and give you that =
extra OP.
That way, you would have to play them according to the fluff. =
They are not
cannonfodder, but valuable units not to be wasted!</FONT></=
SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D796533410-20062003><FONT face=3DArial colo=
r=3D#0000ff
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D796=
533410-20062003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff
size=3D2>Eivind</FONT=
></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D796533410-20062003></SPAN><FONT face=3D=
Tahoma><BR><FONT
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Alb=
ert Farr=E9 Benet
[mailto:cibernyam_at_...]<BR><B>Sent:</B> 20. jun=
i 2003
11:30<BR><B>To:</B> netepic_at_yahoogroups.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re=
: [NetEpic
ML] [5.0] Squats part 2 Infantry<BR><BR></FONT></DIV></FONT>
=
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I checked it out. The c=
ost for a detachment of
warriors is 300 ponts for 10 stands (incl=
uding 1 hearthguard),
berserkers cost 150 for 6 stands (including 1 he=
arthguard). Shortbeards
cannot have the same point cost as berserkers =
or equivalent as warriors. And
I don't think the point is increasing t=
he cost of warriors and
berserkers.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=
=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>=
Albert Farr=E9 Benet</FONT></DIV>
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d; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original=
Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT:=
10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=3Dcibernyam_at_ho=
tmail.com href=3D"mailto:cibernyam_at_...">Albert
Farr=E9 Benet=
</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dnet=
epic_at_yahoogroups.com
href=3D"mailto:netepic_at_yahoogroups.com">netepic=
_at_yahoogroups.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:<=
/B> Friday, June 20, 2003 10:58
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 1=
0pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NetEpic ML] [5.0]
Squats part 2 Infa=
ntry</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><BR></DIV>
<=
DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DAr=
ial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>wel=
l, I see there are two or three major
points on this.</FONT></DIV>
=
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT =
face=3DArial size=3D2>- Weapons: If you think that Lasguns are
bette=
r, I've got no problem with that. I changed it to make them a bit
di=
fferent from squat warriors.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial siz=
e=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>- Infiltra=
tion: Most other scouts have it and
though I don't have the messages=
here, I think the last stats discussed in
the list (long ago) inclu=
ded the ability. It's true they don't have the
guts to fight as adul=
t Squats, but still they've got the pride of
youthness (that sounds =
a bit...) so I think they would rush forward and
take and hold the c=
losest free terrain/cover for the others troops to take
firing posit=
ions. Don't expect them to go much further than that. It's
nolt thei=
r work. With enemy in sight their task is over. But if
you don'=
t like Squats to have any unit with infiltration it's ok.
Still I th=
ink this does not make a big change.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DA=
rial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>- =
Point cost: Here I completely disagree. 450
points is far too much. =
If you take out CC reroll, their break point is as
for normal armies=
and they have low stats, how can it be so expensive?
they cost the =
same as a SM scout company!! and SM scouts have REALLY
better s=
tats (plus infiltration ability). I don't have the cost for other
Sq=
uat units, but take into account that Squat infantry cost is quite
=
high due to CC reroll. I lowered the cost intentionally. I think t=
hat
450 may sound OK with the CC reroll (it's like +1.5 CAF), but wi=
thout
reroll 450 points it's not correct at all, a fairer price is 3=
50. It was
my fault to not copy tha sentence where reroll was elimin=
ated for
shortbeards.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial siz=
e=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Take into =
account also, that shortbeards
units are quite limited, so prob=
ably you are not going to see Squats
rushing with a lot of infantry.=
Probably a company is the maximum you
will see, and not always=
. This is just a bit of cannon-fodder that
has to be used wisel=
y because this is your only expendable unit. I think
they can be ver=
y useful if well played (of course in combination with
other units, =
never alone) but they aren't a game breaker. Absolutely. No,
they do=
n't make a difference on the Squat standard tactics.</FONT></DIV>
<DI=
V><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DA=
rial size=3D2>On the Slayer cult, it works a bit like the
eldar Avat=
ar: they are quite out of control, so all your tactic is based
on wh=
ere you deploy them. It's true that they have high CAF but they are
=
pretty slow and also useless defenders, since they won't defend any
=
objective. Another very good unit that it's too limited IMHO. But I think
=
they add lot of flavour with their limitation so it's quite OK with
=
me.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> =
</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Albert Farr=E9 Benet</FONT></=
DIV>
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x; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
=
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
=
<DIV
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-c=
olor: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=3Dwebmaster_at_...
=
href=3D"mailto:webmaster_at_...">NetEpic Webmaster</A> </DIV>
=
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=3Dnetepic_at_ya=
hoogroups.com
href=3D"mailto:netepic_at_yahoogroups.com">netepic_at_yaho=
ogroups.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B>=
Friday, June 20, 2003 10:23
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: =
10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NetEpic ML] [5.0]
Squats part 2 I=
nfantry</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=
=3D2>Again infiltration is a skil - so I
wouldn't let them have th=
at either, I mean these are young (barely 81!!)
squats who have le=
t to learn the finer art of war. At the same time,
surely a young =
squat is better than a regular guardsman? I mean he has
been fight=
ing a LOT longer.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></F=
ONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Then again at thi=
s scale, I guess it
doesn't matter.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FON=
T face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><BR>Tom Webb<BR>Webmaster of the
EP=
ICentre <A href=3D"
http://www.netepic.org">
http://www.netepic.org</A> -
=
Home of Netepic, EPIC: Armageddon, VOID and Heresy</DIV>
<BLO=
CKQUOTE
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEF=
T: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV =
style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<D=
IV
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: b=
lack"><B>From:</B>
<A title=3Dnils.saugen_at_...
=
href=3D"mailto:nils.saugen_at_...">nils.saugen@...</A> </DIV>
=
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=3Dne=
tepic_at_yahoogroups.com
href=3D"mailto:netepic_at_yahoogroups.com">ne=
tepic_at_yahoogroups.com</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 1=
0pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 20, 2003 7:47
AM</DIV>
=
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [NetEpic ML] [5.0=
]
Squats part 2 Infantry</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
=
<DIV><SPAN class=3D807333606-20062003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=
size=3D2>Lurke mode off.......</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<D=
IV><SPAN class=3D807333606-20062003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff
=
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D807=
333606-20062003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff
size=3D2>HI,<=
/FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D807333606-20062003><FONT f=
ace=3DArial color=3D#0000ff
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
=
<DIV><SPAN class=3D807333606-20062003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D=
#0000ff
size=3D2>We've allowed Shortbeards to avoid a furio=
us discussion
with our inhouse dwarf, who would surly hit us ove=
r the head with his
great axe untill we agreed anyway.... :)</FO=
NT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D807333606-20062003><FONT face=
=3DArial color=3D#0000ff
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
=
<DIV><SPAN class=3D807333606-20062003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#00=
00ff
size=3D2>Seriously, again I've not involved myself to much =
with the
latest revision, although I've kept my self sort of upd=
ated. I would
urge causion on issues such as these squat infantr=
y changes. IMOH
squats are one of the most powerfull armies in t=
he game, if played
properly. However, one of their weaknesses is=
the number of
troops, troop movement and close c=
ombat quality. With cheap
units like the shortbeards and good cl=
ose combat units like slayer
cults we take away one of the squat=
weaknesses. I think that might be
a bad idea. And while we have=
accepted the use of Shortbeards, we've
never accepted the =
use of Slayer Cults, but if my memory serves
me right they have =
been tested.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D807333606-200=
62003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>=
</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D807333606-20062003><FONT face=3DA=
rial color=3D#0000ff
size=3D2>As for the issue at hand, I d=
o not see why the shortbeards
should have the infiltration speci=
al ability!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D807333606-2006=
2003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&=
nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D807333606-20062003><FONT face=3DAr=
ial color=3D#0000ff
size=3D2>Regards</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
=
<DIV><SPAN class=3D807333606-20062003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=
size=3D2>Nils </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQ=
UOTE>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft>=
<FONT face=3DTahoma
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>=
From:</B> Eivind Borgeteien
[mailto:eivind.borgeteien_at_chello.n=
o]<BR><B>Sent:</B> 19. juni 2003
19:44<BR><B>To:</B> netepic_at_y=
ahoogroups.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
[NetEpic ML] [5.0] Squat=
s part 2 Infantry<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT
face=3DArial size=
=3D2>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: E=
N-GB"><o:p><FONT
size=3D3></FONT></o:p></SPAN></P><SPAN lang=
=3DEN-GB
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ans=
i-language: EN-GB">
<DIV><SPAN class=3D590283217-19062003><FONT=
color=3D#0000ff
size=3D2>Hi</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<=
DIV><SPAN class=3D590283217-19062003><FONT color=3D#0000ff
siz=
e=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D590283217-1=
9062003><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>My
gaming group as on s=
everal ocations tested the shortbeards. We have
substituted th=
eir bolt pistols with lasguns and also taken away
their a=
bility to reroll CC. (You have to grow more beard to do that,
=
laddie! :-) )</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D590283217-=
19062003><FONT color=3D#0000ff
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </=
DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D590283217-19062003><FONT color=3D#0000f=
f size=3D2>Their
new prize would be 450 / 5VP =
pr company and 150 /
2VP pr squadron.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
=
<DIV><SPAN class=3D590283217-19062003><FONT color=3D#0000ff
=
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D59=
0283217-19062003><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I
would sugges=
t that we rather use this stats.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN=
class=3D590283217-19062003><FONT color=3D#0000ff
size=3D2></F=
ONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D590283217-19062003><=
FONT color=3D#0000ff
size=3D2>Eivind</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
=
<DIV><SPAN class=3D590283217-19062003><FONT color=3D#0000ff
=
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN
=
class=3D590283217-19062003> </SPAN><STRONG>SHORTBEARDS<o:p></o:p></S=
TRONG></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>
=
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB
=
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><o:p><=
FONT
size=3D3> </FONT></o:p></SPAN></P>
<=
P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB
=
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><FONT
=
size=3D3>The rising of a Squat army is not something of a few
=
months. The young squats must observe some years of military
=
service before deciding his role in the squat society. Since t=
hey
are not enough cold-blooded to face most battles, they u=
sually
play the role of explorers and scouts. Due to the slo=
w growth rate
of the squat society, it's not usual to risk t=
he lives of the
younger ones and only in desperate or (suppo=
sed) secure situations
are they used.<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPA=
N></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SP=
AN lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-langua=
ge: EN-GB"><o:p><FONT
size=3D3> </FONT></o:p></SPAN></P=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT si=
ze=3D3><SPAN
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D"FONT-FAMIL=
Y: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">You
=
can only field one Shortbeard Brotherhood (or a max of 3
=
squadrons) pr 3000 points.</SPAN><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB
sty=
le=3D"FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-bi=
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Subject: Re: [NetEpic ML] [5.0] On Shortbeards
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I have changed my mind again. Make the Shortbeards 100
pts or make them a Free Card. I don't believe the
Squats have a free card except for the free gyrocopter
that comes with the Colussus. This would work becuase
the stunties can't lose too many young'uns in battle.
Make them free with infiltrate worth 1 VP but since it
is free you get 2 VPs when they are broken.
Darius
--- Albert_Farr�_Benet <cibernyam_at_...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> But at 150 points a detachment they cost exactly the
> same as berserkers! only that they got less
> movement, less CAF, no reroll and less morale! Why
> would anybody purchase shortbeards if you got an
> equivalent troop with far better stats for the same
> price? I think that they should cost 100 points, but
> I wonder what result would give the formula. Please,
> take into acount that they have Squat in their name
> but none of the usual squat features (Reroll, morale
> or break point), plus they have really low stats,
> almost the same as IG tacticals or Chaos cultists
> (only 1 point better in morale).
>
> When you got tons of expendable troops, like IG/PDF
> you can waste them to enemy fire as desired, but
> when you got ONE expendable unit, you should play it
> really wisely, so in the end it isn't as expendable
> as it seemed at first glance. I think that their
> strong point is that, seeming expendable, the enemy
> will try to go for stronger units and always leave
> them as the shot to spare when he doesn't have other
> available targets. Thus, they can do their job quite
> silently. Probably they won't bring you many VP but
> that is right, because they are a cheap unit.
>
> Albert Farr� Benet
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Eivind Borgeteien
> To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 12:46 PM
> Subject: RE: [NetEpic ML] [5.0] Squats part 2
> Infantry
>
>
> On the pointcost, I must disagree. It might sound
> a little expencive, but then again Squat infantry
> should be expencive, and it should cost you that
> extra VP if they break.
>
> If you bring along your shortbeards you get some
> cheap infantry, but you also weaken yourself in
> terms of breakpoint. 9 stands is 5 VPs, wict in
> turn are the same as one objective point. So, if you
> field the shortbeards you should play them wisely so
> that they dont break, and give you that extra OP.
> That way, you would have to play them according to
> the fluff. They are not cannonfodder, but valuable
> units not to be wasted!
>
> Eivind
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Albert Farr� Benet
> [mailto:cibernyam_at_...]
> Sent: 20. juni 2003 11:30
> To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [NetEpic ML] [5.0] Squats part 2
> Infantry
>
>
> I checked it out. The cost for a detachment of
> warriors is 300 ponts for 10 stands (including 1
> hearthguard), berserkers cost 150 for 6 stands
> (including 1 hearthguard). Shortbeards cannot have
> the same point cost as berserkers or equivalent as
> warriors. And I don't think the point is increasing
> the cost of warriors and berserkers.
>
> Albert Farr� Benet
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Albert Farr� Benet
> To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [NetEpic ML] [5.0] Squats part 2
> Infantry
>
>
> Hi,
>
> well, I see there are two or three major
> points on this.
>
> - Weapons: If you think that Lasguns are
> better, I've got no problem with that. I changed it
> to make them a bit different from squat warriors.
>
> - Infiltration: Most other scouts have it and
> though I don't have the messages here, I think the
> last stats discussed in the list (long ago) included
> the ability. It's true they don't have the guts to
> fight as adult Squats, but still they've got the
> pride of youthness (that sounds a bit...) so I think
> they would rush forward and take and hold the
> closest free terrain/cover for the others troops to
> take firing positions. Don't expect them to go much
> further than that. It's nolt their work. With enemy
> in sight their task is over. But if you don't like
> Squats to have any unit with infiltration it's ok.
> Still I think this does not make a big change.
>
> - Point cost: Here I completely disagree. 450
> points is far too much. If you take out CC reroll,
> their break point is as for normal armies and they
> have low stats, how can it be so expensive? they
> cost the same as a SM scout company!! and SM scouts
> have REALLY better stats (plus infiltration
> ability). I don't have the cost for other Squat
> units, but take into account that Squat infantry
> cost is quite high due to CC reroll. I lowered the
> cost intentionally. I think that 450 may sound OK
> with the CC reroll (it's like +1.5 CAF), but without
> reroll 450 points it's not correct at all, a fairer
> price is 350. It was my fault to not copy tha
> sentence where reroll was eliminated for
> shortbeards.
>
> Take into account also, that shortbeards units
> are quite limited, so probably you are not going to
> see Squats rushing with a lot of infantry. Probably
> a company is the maximum you will see, and not
> always. This is just a bit of cannon-fodder that has
> to be used wisely because this is your only
> expendable unit. I think they can be very useful if
> well played (of course in combination with other
> units, never alone) but they aren't a game breaker.
> Absolutely. No, they don't make a difference on the
> Squat standard tactics.
>
> On the Slayer cult, it works a bit like the
> eldar Avatar: they are quite out of control, so all
> your tactic is based on where you deploy them. It's
> true that they have high CAF but they are pretty
> slow and also useless defenders, since they won't
> defend any objective. Another very good unit that
> it's too limited IMHO. But I think they add lot of
> flavour with their limitation so it's quite OK with
> me.
>
> Albert Farr� Benet
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: NetEpic Webmaster
> To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [NetEpic ML] [5.0] Squats part
> 2 Infantry
>
>
> Again infiltration is a skil - so I wouldn't
> let them have that either, I mean these are young
> (barely 81!!) squats who have let to learn the finer
> art of war. At the same time, surely a young squat
> is better than a regular guardsman? I mean he has
> been fighting a LOT longer.
>
> Then again at this scale, I guess it doesn't
> matter.
>
> Tom Webb
> Webmaster of the EPICentre
> http://www.netepic.org - Home of Netepic, EPIC:
> Armageddon, VOID and Heresy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nils.saugen_at_...
> To: netepic_at_yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 7:47 AM
> Subject: RE: [NetEpic ML] [5.0] Squats
> part 2 Infantry
>
>
> Lurke mode off.......
>
> HI,
>
> We've allowed Shortbeards to avoid a
> furious discussion with our inhouse dwarf, who would
> surly hit us over the head with his great axe untill
> we agreed anyway.... :)
>
> Seriously, again I've not involved myself
> to much with the latest revision, although I've kept
> my self sort of updated. I would urge causion on
> issues such as these squat infantry changes. IMOH
> squats are one of the most powerfull armies in the
> game, if played properly. However, one of their
> weaknesses is the number of troops, troop movement
> and close combat quality. With cheap units like the
> shortbeards and good close combat units like slayer
> cults we take away one of the squat weaknesses. I
> think that might be a bad idea. And while we have
> accepted the use of Shortbeards, we've never
> accepted the use of Slayer Cults, but if my memory
> serves me right they have been tested.
>
> As for the issue at hand, I do not see why
> the shortbeards should have the infiltration special
> ability!
>
> Regards
> Nils
>
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