The ONLY time i see eldar (finesse, refinment and technology)
fighting alongside with orks (raw, brute strength) is against
tyranids. They are like two opposite diametrics or thought. I can
see eldar allying with marines, tau, MABY sisters, or guard. but
only in the sense of fighting Orks, Tyranids or CHAOS.
--- In netepic_at_yahoogroups.com, Peter Ramos <primarch_at_c...> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> To think I actually told Jar that there wouldn't be much
conversation
> regarding the eldar....
>
> Shows how much I know... ;-)
>
> Lets take it by parts for people to decide:
>
> 1. Do people want to allow orks as allies for Eldar?
> 2. Should Tempest and titan groups be "generic" units accessed by
all
> carftworlds?
>
> Those seem to be the two big issues.
>
> The suggestions made so far sound good. I urge more discussion to
hammer
> out what is wanted.
>
> Peter
>
> Jyrki Saari wrote:
>
> >[snip]
> >Hello. Long time no "see". :o)
> >
> >
> >
> >>But seriously folks, please take a look at the Eldar
> >>book and let me know what you think. I've been
> >>looking it over and have noticed the following
> >>things that will probably raise some hackles.
> >>
> >>1) The Craftworlds are codex armies. You can't get
> >>any of the special units (Alaitoc Pathfinders, etc)
> >>without running that craftworld. You can take a
> >>second craftworld as an ally if you want, and can
> >>mix & match Support cards between companies.
> >>
> >>IMHO this is a similar division to the Chaos Powers.
> >>Each one has specialized units that can be
> >>consitered unbalancing, but is balanced by the fact
> >>that you can't take all of them.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Did I get this system right: If you take a standard
> >Eldar army you can take up to 50% of your points from,
> >say, Marines? ("Any other standard list except Chaos &
> >Tyranids") Or even Orks? <shudder>
> >
> >
> >
> >>2) The Wind Rider Host (WRH) is a Saim-Hann card.
> >>You have to run Saim-Hann if you want it. Everyone
> >>else has to use the Jetbike Host, a smaller and more
> >>accurately priced company. Keep in mind that you can
> >>run two craftworlds, so that no matter which one you
> >>run you can always take the WRH.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >This I am OK with as it ties nicely with the
> >background.
> >
> >
> >
> >>3) The Tempest, Spirit and Phantom Host cards are
> >>available to all craftworlds, but not the Standard
> >>Eldar List. This is mostly a fluff issue, as I don't
> >>believe that the Eldar would loan out their rare
> >>and/or heavy units to anyone.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Um, where in the fluff does it say that Tempest and
> >Phantom hosts are for the select few only?
> >
> >The fluff DOES say that:
> >-Ulthwe uses more Guardians than the others.
> >-Alaitoc uses more rangers than the others.
> >-Biel tan is the most militaristic.
> >-Iyaden has, out of necessity, more Wraiths than the
> >others.
> >-Saim-Hann has wildrider clans.
> >
> >
> >
> >>That's a start, and I'm sure that folks will find
> >>others. Let the flames begin!
> >>
> >>
> >
> >WHOOOOSSSHHHH!!!
> >
> >Here's what I propose.
> >
> >1) Give Each Craftworld ONE unique advantage in the
> >form of an unit the others can't have and which is
> >tied to the background.
> >
> >2)Balance this with some reasonable restriction so
> >there's a reason to play the standard list.
> >
> >My proposals for units:
> >-Saim Hann: Wind Rider host.
> >
> >-Iyaden: Spirit host. As the Eldar view the creating
> >of Wraiths as something approaching necromancy I don't
> >see them being so widespread in other craftworlds
> >which are not in as dire straits.
> >
> >-Biel-Tan: create a new unit: Aspect host of, say, two
> >aspect detachments and a Exarch command unit.
> >
> >-Ulthwe: Black Guardian hosts.
> >
> >-Alaitoc: Hmm. Ranger host (special card)?
> >
> >Then the restrictions. Um, let's see... I'm sure the
> >listmembers can come up with something... ;o)
> >
> >Some suggestions:
> >-Ulthwe: restrictions on the number of aspects?
> >-Alaitoc: has less guardians?
> >-Biel-Tan: less psykers?
> >
> >Fire away!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>-Yar
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Jyrki Saari
> >
> >
> >
> >
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