Re: [NetEpic ML] Slann, the proof is in the math

From: Peter Ramos <pramos2_at_...>
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:57:14 -0500

Hi!

The price costs as you suggest do not reflect the total deficit that I saw
with the formulas. Most units were off in the 75-100% category so most of
the changes I put in are from 25-40%.

Note that squats VP's are higher due to higher break points not cost. Slann
have standard break points. Still in the efforts to raise them and not too
much here's the second revision:

Note I reduced about 50 points in most non-necron units (necron units are
too good to reduce further). Some company card prices were incorrect (my
bad) and corrected.

These prices assume the following stat changes

1. Necron field is only 6cm
2. Self repair does not function in CC
3. Dracons of all types have no save (they are cannon fodder).

1.Vanguard Company 900, they were not off by much the true value should be
1000 points
2.Spawnguard Company, this one was way, way off, each detachment is 400
points the company which has 3 detachments should be 1050
3.Tadpole Light Mech Pod, 800
4.Frog Medium Mech Pod 950, should be 1000
5.Bull Frog Heavy, 1100 should be 1200
6.Necron stalker 1250, should be 1300
7.Dracon Company ,500 the Krokigor are severely underpriced the true cost
for
the company is 700
8.Exodus Raiders 600, should be 700
9.Exodus Spawn 650, severely underpriced exodus warband and mantis
should be 900!
10.Necron Raider Cube 900, should be 1000
11.Necron Assault Cube 1100, should be 1200
12.Tadpole Light Mech 350, should be 400
13.Frog Medium Mech 400, should be 500
14.Bull Frog Heavy Mech 500, should be 600
15.Necron Stalker 600, should be 650
16.Slann Vanguard 450, should be 500
17.Slann Spawnguard 300, should be 350
18.Exodus Warriors 250, severely underpriced, there are 6 not 5 units,
should be 300
19.Exodus Warp Walkers 300, also underpriced, should be 350
20.Exodus Ghost Warriors 275, also underpriced, should be 350
21.Dracon Skink Scouts 150
22.Dracon Suarus Regulars 250, these are okay as is.
23.Dracon Kroxigors 150, severely underpriced, should be 250
24.Necron Raiders 400, should be 500
25.Necron Assault 500, should be 600
26.Coldones Riders 200, should be 250
27.Taradon Riders 225, should be 250
28.Temple Guard Dragoon 300 okay as is
29.Raptors 150, should be 200
30.Necron Arachnid Destroyer should be 250
31.Mantis 100, should be 150
32.Frog 300, okay as is
33.Tiger Moth 150, should be 200
34.Necron Protector Circuit 100, should be 200
35.Necron Cubekeeper Tank Circuit 150, should be 250
36.Necron Cubemaster Tank Circuit 250, should be 350
37.Necron Nemesis Tank Circuit 300, should be 400
38.Necron Tormentor Tank Circuit 250, should be 350
39.Necron Punisher Tank Circuit 250, should be 350
40.Salamander 150, okay as is
41.Dragon Fly 250, okay as is
42.Necron Mantis Missile Circuit 100, grossly undercharged, should be 200
43.Warp Locust anti-aircraft gun 200 okay as is.
44.Conqueror Heavy Tank 350, should be 450
45.Necron Cloud Dragon Circuit 350, okay as is
46.Necron Ethereal Dragon Circuit 200, okay as is
47.Necron Moon Dragon Circuit 450, okay as is
48.Slann Great Mage 125, should be 150
49.Slann Mage in Tadpole 250, should be 350
50.Slann Mage in Frog 275, should be 400
51.Slann Mage in Bull Frog 300, should be 450
52.Slann Time Mage 1 Time Mage Mech 550, should be 650
53.Exodus Mage Chief 100, should be 200 due to the vehicle cost.
54.Exodus Warchief 100, same as above 200
55.Suarus Temple Guard 50, okay as is
56.Great Crested Skink 50 good as is
57.Annihilator Battle Fortress 500, should be 600
58.Stag 300, should be 400
59.Dragonking Assault Titan 2500 as is
60.Komodo Titan 2000, now 1500.

Are these acceptable?

Peter


> Peter,
> I agree that the points were off but you can't raise them too much. Look
at
> other races as well. The Squats do benefit from the underpriced points but
> give it up for VPs. The Eldar Wind Host is a steal at 650 pts and if you
> point them out there is a deficit of 450 points. I did some point checks
on
> other units of other races and found them underpriced but only by 10-20%
and
> in most cases the cost were right on. Whereas the Slann are underpriced by
> 20-40% (avg around 25%). But the Slann have been beaten 3 times that I
know
> of in our group, although we do play house rules that split armies half
> infantry, walker, cavalry and the other half vehicles, super-heavies,
etc...
> So my suggestion is go a little at first. If they were 50 off up them 25
if
> they were 75 to 100 off up them 50 and if they were off by more than 100
go
> with the exact amount off. I have found it is easier to add than take
away.
> wait till you see the dark Eldar. I have already raised their points for
> some of the squads.
> Darius
> Darius
>
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